S2 Ep 19: I see a little more woo in your cards: Oracle and Tarot

In this episode, Tammy and Jenn talk a bit about what oracle and tarot cards are and what they are not. Have you been curious, yet fearful, about delving into tarot or oracle cards as a tool for healing? Well, take a listen because this could help you see that they are more about inner guidance and knowing than you might have thought! 

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Jenn: Hey, everybody. I'm Jenn. 

Tammy: And I'm Tammy. 

Jenn: And they call us Woo!

Tammy: Welcome back, everyone. Today, we are going to talk about tarot and Oracle and different tools that you can use or using them as a tool for information, for healing, for finding ways to use them in your life to, you know, make things feel a little better. Also, maybe some of the things around it that people are uncertain about and what tarot like means and if there's any, you know, dark side to it and all that other fun stuff. So like Miss Jenn said, when we were talking about this earlier, she's had this come up a lot lately, so we thought it might be kind of a fun thing to talk about. 

Jenn: True, true, true. So I have talked to probably three or four adults lately that have brought up and actually one kiddo who's brought up an interest in tarot and Oracle cards. But they've unfortunately also been, it's been heavy on their minds because there are so many so many different religions, so many different teachings out there that are like, oh my gosh, this is of the devil. You can't look at these. You can't do these things. They're divination tools. They bring evil into your life. So there's, there's this, this energy behind tarot in particular that tends to scare people away from it. And so I've had a lot of these conversations lately, and most of you who have been listening for a long time know that I have my own Oracle card deck that I've created, that I use. And I actually made an Oracle card deck to begin with because for whatever reason, people are like, oh Oracle cards, They're not they're not the same as Tarot. There’s this

Tammy: I think Tarot is a bad rap. Like the name Tarot gets a bad rap. 

Jenn: It does. People, people, for whatever reason, create the separation. And Oracle cards and tarot cards are of the same of the same energy. They, Oracle cards are much more freeform there. There's usually not a set number of cards in the deck. You don't necessarily have to pull a set number of cards. There are some structures depending on who you ask, but for the most part, Oracle card decks are based on intuition, like you intuit what the cards mean. There might be some, some of them come with. I have one deck in front of me that like comes with a book and they have information on each one of the cards. So if you're if you're new to it, you can just look it up and see what the meaning is. Otherwise, if you've been using them for a while, you can look at the cards, look at the pictures, and kind of bring the information forward based on what you're feeling, what you're knowing. With tarot cards, it's much more structured. There's 78 cards in a deck. There's major and minor arcana. And there's a storyline that goes with it. So the fool, you follow the fool in their journey through life, meeting every aspect of humanity and meeting every aspect of who people are, and then ultimately coming to the end and meeting the whole world or meeting the cosmic energy. And then there's like every, the minor arcana is more about the different things that could be happening along this journey of meeting all these people. So there's like a whole storyline behind Tarot that is meant to connect you to your inner guidance and connect you specifically to what's going on in your life. Both Oracle and Tarot do that in that they ask you to go deeper in and it pulls information from your higher self or from the situations in your life to give you more guidance in moving forward.

Tammy: Sure. 

Jenn: So it's it's just this beautiful, it's a beautiful way for people who are very visual learners to draw more information out. And so 

Tammy: I am glad you described that because that was the one question I had recently, which I, I know a lot of times card readers will use these Oracle and tarot interchangeably like they just a lot of times go with whatever deck they're called to use or whatever. But I didn't really have like such a specific and clear answer. So I'm glad you described that. As far as like the tarot just having a little bit more set, not rules, but structure. But I do think it's interesting that when you get, especially I feel like tarot decks now, a lot of times they do come with like books and information, like the one that I have has even like a little like fold out page thing so you can place them all. So you really there's no like, guesswork to any of it. You can do it with ease without feeling like you have to know all the things. Although there's something to be said for having someone pull them for you too. 

Jenn: Yeah, well, and there's such specific structures around tarot, like there's different layouts that you can do for different things. So like, there's a different layout for specific questions about certain life events and then just like a general reading. So there's, there's different layouts you can use that have different numbers of cards that you pull. And based on your placement within the certain layout that you do, it could mean like certain parts could mean this is something that happened in your past. This is something that's coming up for you. This is something that you've been dealing with and like the flow of energy through it. And then there might be a placement for medical information or placement for what's going on in your job. So like, it's very specific about what layout you're using and what questions you're asking and how you use those decks. And based on like if you get more cards that are minor arcana cards that are within a certain there's there's different cards within the minor arcana. So there's like wands and there's, there's just different cards in there. So if you get if you get more of those specific cards, it might mean something else. And so if you aren't used to reading those cards, you might not know like the wands and the cups and what exactly they mean. So you're going to have to look for more guidance. 

Tammy: Yeah. 

Jenn: As with Oracle cards, you're using your internal guidance. You're not using the specific meanings of those specific cards. 

Tammy: Yeah, that makes sense. And I know in tarot too, there could be different things depending on if it's upside down or if it's right side up and all of those other things too. Yeah, I, I was really glad when I got my first deck, which I am going to show 

Jenn: It's very pretty. 

Tammy: the camera because it's tattoo tarot and it's got this like old school tattoo feel to all the artwork and I love it, but 

Jenn: It reminds me of some of, it reminds me of a tattoo I would see on you. 

Tammy: Yeah, Exactly. 

Jenn: It does. 

Tammy: Which is a lot of my tattoos are in that style. So I was really happy, though, that it had all that information in those and just less guesswork for me, because while I really strongly like to follow intuition and stuff like that, it was, it was a new thing for me to pull my own. I really didn't have, you know, any knowledge in that. So it was fun to look through the book too, and be able to actually like reference back and forth. And I'm sure the more you do it, the more information you get. And I know those people have been doing it for years who can just, you know, pull out that information very easily and can interpret things very quickly. But it's just it's like another tool that people are drawn to. I think some people are just really strongly drawn to those tools where others might, like myself, might dabble. But there's other tools that come easier for me if that make sense. And then there are people who are intimidated by them, and we don't want people to feel scared. 

Jenn: Yeah, Yeah. Well, and like I said, I've had these conversations lately, and a lot of it is coming out of people's fear of using a tool and all of these things are just tools for us to get in tune with our own intuition and with our own guidance and connect with our higher selves and the information that's coming to us from divine energies. It's not that these tools are drawing that energy in, it's that we're using them to be a visual depiction of the information that we already know. It's the information we already have. And I think that we, with a lot of things that are in the woo realm, we create this big story around it that it's all like these external sources of things that are coming in and where we're pulling all this information from the external. But really what it is, is we're utilizing external tools to draw the en, the energy and the information that we already have. We're all part of the whole we're all one. So we already have every piece of this. It's just we don't know how to access it. 

Tammy: Right. Well, and that's kind of a beautiful thing of why being part of the one is also, you know, there, there are we're pulling this this information ourself, but also like we're doing it all together at the same time. So the universe, our guidance is always looking for ways to give us the information that we want. And for me, I feel like whatever tools I'm drawn to just seem to be the way that it's, it's like pinpointing like, that's she's going to pay attention to that. So, 

Jenn: Yeah

Tammy: this is how she's going to get some of this information or this feels good to her. So this is how she's going to get some of the information. But yeah, I mean, even though everything does have I like that point, even though everything has its own energy, it's all part of the whole. And we are all beings that know and have access to all of the information of the whole. But it's,  it's just how we choose to access it. 

Jenn: Yeah. 

Tammy: You know, I wonder sometimes though, with the with the tarot why it gets such a bad rap. I think because there was such a connection with like mystics and seers and people like that that eventually got a pretty bad name, I guess you could say. 

Jenn: Yeah. 

Tammy: When people started to say that they weren't of the divine and they weren't Godly. 

Jenn: Yeah. 

Tammy: And sometimes we tend to be really afraid of the things we don't understand. 

Jenn: Yeah. And I mean, any tool that we use can be used for dark magic or darker purposes or drawing in those energies, but it's not necessarily the tool that's doing that 

Tammy: right. It's the intention. 

Jenn: It’s the intention that we have behind it. And so, so it's funny, it, yes, tarot can be used in different excuse me, in different like darker, darker. I don't even know the word I want to use, but like in in darker practices, in practices where they're actually trying to harm people, it can be 

Tammy: right, but so can anything. So can plants. 

Jenn: Exactly. Exactly 

Tammy: So can anything. 

Jenn: Yeah. Yeah. So can water. So can salt. Like I mean, you can use anything in the way that you're intending to use it. And I actually I talked to a skeptic the other day, and I was trying to explain to them what exactly these are used, how these are used as a tool. And they said, Well, aren't you just making each card mean something? Because people are going to see in the cards what, what they want it to mean. And I said, Exactly. And they were like, what's like, like, think they got a little bit upset with me because, I mean, they weren't expecting me to agree with it. 

Tammy: Right. 

Jenn: It's true. Because we are drawing from our internal knowing those cards are working with you, where you're at, to show you the things that you need to pay attention to. And most people are expecting them to predict everything for you and to tell you like exactly what your next step is. And really what it's doing is it's prompting you to realize what you already know. It's prompting you to recognize the pieces that you've already witnessed, the pieces that you've already started to put into place. Because, I mean, it's your process, it's your plan. You're moving forward on it. And it just triggers you to, to see what you've already been putting in place and where you want to be going. And where you recognize you've taken a misstep. 

Tammy: Yeah. Well, and that also brings in too, you know, sometimes we want all the answers. We want to be told, like, just go take this step. This step, this step. You'll get exactly what you want. That's not really how everything works, especially when it's about experiences and experiences that we have already agreed to play out. However, they need to play out, you know, with others and stuff like that. And so it's I think it's always for our highest and best, which doesn't always mean that we agree with it right now. Highest and best doesn't mean easy is necessarily it means highest and best like ultimately for everything. So sometimes we are like, grasping for information, too. And we, what we're really being told over and over again is allow you're not going to necessarily get all the information that you think you want, but you will get what you need, which I always think is really interesting because I can pinpoint so many times now where there was things that I didn't know in my human mind because I wasn't supposed to know yet, because then the thing couldn't have happened that needed to happen. 

Jenn: Yeah. 

Tammy: And then afterwards you get the full picture on that one. So using it as a tool to really embrace your inner knowing, I like thinking about it that way because your highest self is always going to do what's best, even if, even if the best thing is like you're not going to get the answer that you want for this right now. But here's this other answer for you. 

Jenn: Yeah. Yeah. Well, and so I know that there's going to be people, some people who might listen to this and they're like, No, no, no, that's not the way this works at all. Like, it's actually telling you the future. It's telling you, and that's totally fine. Like, if that's if that's how you believe that it works, that's totally fine. I won't argue with anybody on how they think something works, but a lot of the time people will go into and this is something that I struggle with in readings is a lot of the time people will go into a reading or they'll use their cards or they'll use their different tools and they'll step into this place of giving all of their power away to the reader or to the cards or to the pendulum or to whatever tool they're using. They're giving their power away. And what ends up happening is a lot of people step into this mindset of, well, the cards told me that I'm going to break up with my girlfriend, I'm going to move to Alaska, I'm going to lose 14 jobs, I'm going to gain all this money. I'm going to have fame. I'm going to like whatever that thing is that the cards are telling you. And then their brain focuses on that thing. Regardless of what it was that you were planning on doing. The second that you focus your attention on those cards, the second that you're like, oh well, that wasn't at all what I was thinking, but. Okay. And you believe something and put your focus into that. Like you're going to start rerouting and you're going to start putting your putting yourself in that space. And so, like, we need to use our discernment and we need to recognize, like, what the cards are telling us and sometimes the specifics that come forward when people are utilizing these tools are more nuanced than that. 

Tammy: Yeah

Jenn: and I think it's hard. And sometimes I've heard people go into a reading and they get all this information and then they start doubting the things that they were, that they were looking at for themselves. And they'll start taking action on things that they wouldn't have taken action on before, things that they didn't really want to see come to fruition. Because they've started focusing their energy differently because they received an interpretation that wasn't necessarily what they were meant to pay attention to. 

Tammy: Right. So that's kind of what I was thinking as you were talking to her. I'm like, he generally don't get hard and fast answers because there's a lot of different, there's a lot of different things that go into it. I mean, there's like you said, there's always something that, you know, you can be putting your attention on as far as like what it is you want to work through or whatever. But I mean, when it comes to things that are going to happen, the first of all, the how is never our concern because the how is always something much different than usually the little bit of the picture that we see. 

Jenn: Yeah

Tammy: but and it doesn't mean that you don't do nothing, but it also means that if you are so focused on this one hard and fast rule of like this came up, I need to do it this way. You could be missing other things and opportunities that are trying to present themselves. And it doesn't mean you won't get the thing. It just means that maybe it won't be exactly how it could have happened. Or it might not be it might take a long time. Might not be exactly what you hoped for. Whatever the case may be. But more often than not, when I've looked for answers and also factoring in free will, we also have free will just because something is, you know, something is put forward for us that could happen and it might be part of our intention and part of the goals that we want. It doesn't mean that we can't shift. It doesn't mean that the universe can't shift. But it's like what you're saying when you focus on the one thing that's that's the thing that you're telling the universe you want to happen, whether it be good or bad or in between. 

Jenn: Yeah. 

Tammy: And if you are trying so hard to make that thing happen, well, yeah, it probably will. But there could have been something even cooler. 

Jenn: Yeah

Tammy: if you came in with more of a broad. Like what, You tell me what it is that you know, I can pull forward from my knowledge base and I will allow that to work, you know, allow my energy to work, allow myself to just sit with that and see how it feels and what, you know, this compels me to move forward to do. Sometimes it's nice to have the reminders, too, because I feel like sometimes we use these tools and we get an answer that we've gotten several other ways before, and then we're like, All right, all right, I'm listening. 

Jenn: Yeah, Well, and the other piece of this is that people don't recognize that with our free will, we have the ability to change in any given moment. So I could go and I could read my cards or I could have somebody read my cards right the second. I could walk away from that table and go, hmmm. That's not what I want. And I could go sit down, have a reading from somebody else. And my energy has shifted so quickly that that's going to be a very different reading than it was 10 minutes ago. And because we do have the ability to change focus and to will ourselves in a different direction, and we have every single path that's going to lead us to the perfect place. So we have the option to take this path. Take this path, take that path. And they're all going to take us to the same place. There's just going to be different little things that happen. 

Tammy: Yeah. 

Jenn: And so it's just what path we're choosing to take in that moment. So if you go and have a reading or you read your own cards and you decide that you want something different from what comes up in those cards, you have the ability to change the outcome of the reading you just had 

Tammy: and the beautiful pieces that could be the intention behind it, too. You could be asking for that to give yourself a push in a different direction. You could be asking for that. That I've had that conversation a lot lately, too, where sometimes you would be like, Wow, that's so cool that, you know these things are like, you got this information or whatever. And I'm like, Well, you asked for it. And I happened to be the one that was in there in line with you to answer it. And they're like, yeah. I mean, people don't think about that sometimes because it doesn't necessarily mean physically going up and asking, but you're soul you're higher self. The universe is always conspiring to give you what it is that you're looking for, even if your human mind is not aware that you keep asking at the moment.

Jenn: Exactly. 

Tammy: I think it can be so beautiful to get these readings, too, because, you know, if you're looking for something like comfort or you maybe it is something that you've heard many times, but you just need to hear that one more time in order to feel like, okay, I think I understand. So there's this nice balance of, you know, not necessarily giving your power away, but also being able to co-create with other people.

Jenn: Exactly. 

Tammy: If you're getting a reading with someone else that you're co-creating together. And that's really cool too. Where there you can surrender in a way of like not having to overthink it and allowing. But also you really are calling all of this forward at the same time too, which probably I'm guessing would make I wouldn't know personally because I don't read cards for the people, but I'm guessing that probably makes for a really good experience for the reader too. If you have this like lovely exchange of energy where it just feels very open. 

Jenn: Yeah. 

Tammy: ‘cause I feel like every time I do any type of spiritual work with anyone, it fills me up too, especially if they're just really open to like, let's just see how this goes and yeah, I'll take this information and do it. Whatever feels the best. It's just fun. 

Jenn: Yeah. Yeah, well, I love that you said it's a co-creation, because I do see when I've done readings and when I've had readings in the past, the people who sit down with me and they read the cards and give the information to me in a way that showcases for me what things I need to look at or what things I'm being called to look at so that I can heal and so that I can grow. It's like the readers that I have worked with and when I'm doing my readings, it's creating this sacred space, this container for people to and we all know that I love sacred containers. I love containers that are human containers too. I'm obsessed with containers. But like creating this space for people to fully look at the meaning behind the cards, not just look at the surface level and like you pull a card and sometimes those cards will say on them what they're supposed to mean, and you'll look at it and you'll go, Meh, whatever. You're just looking at the surface. But the second you start actually, like digging deeper into that and like sitting in that space and honoring that space that you're in and going, Ohhh, this is about that thing. Like and really feeling into it and really recognizing where it's hitting you at a deeper level. That's when we can really utilize these tools for our highest good. We can really use, utilize these tools for healing and change in our lives rather than just going in and having another reading where somebody tells you something else that you're not going to follow through on, 

Tammy: right? 

Jenn: Or you're just going to ignore. 

Tammy: And that does happen sometimes. 

Jenn: Yes. 

Tammy: I feel like sometimes people will hop around because they're, they desperately want an answer. But it's like this phrase on I might have mentioned it before phrase on this calendar my daughter gave me that keeps coming up where it it said worrying is like praying for things you don't want. So it's like wanting, like being so worried about the answer you're getting. But your focus is not on what you do want to receive. Your focus is on what you don't want. So you keep getting the same answers and you keep hopping around and hopping around, hoping for a different answer. And like you said, you kind of forget that you have the power to allow yourself to be more open and let the information do what it is that it was called to do. 

Jenn: Yeah

Tammy: which is arguably, you know, it's a little hard sometimes. And there's times when people are like, I just I just want it to be this way. I just want, you know, I'm looking for this specific thing. And usually there's some type of release around that that feels really good. You just might not be ready for it yet, but you'll get there.

Jenn: Yeah. Yeah. 

Tammy: Usually you keep getting the reminder until you get there. 

Jenn: Yeah, well, and it's funny because sometimes I've I've had people come to me for readings in the past and they've gone to 20 other readers that will all give them this very general statement of what they wanted to hear. It's always what they wanted to hear. That's what they were hearing. And every single one of these readings, whether or not that's what they were actually being told, is a different story. But they were hearing the same thing in all of these readings. Yet they continue to go to more readers and more readers and more readers wanting to get this, this same piece of information so that they knew they were on the right track. But they kept seeking, they kept seeking, They kept seeking because somewhere internally they knew that that wasn't the answer that they were supposed to be paying attention to. And I've had, I've had situations where I tell people the information that's coming through and they're like, wait a second. Like, no. Like, no, I'm not supposed to get that. I'm not supposed to get that answer because they were finally open to looking at what that information was that they were really supposed to be looking at. And sometimes people get a little bit upset when they actually hear the things that they didn't want to look at. And it's and that's what I mean by digging deeper, because sometimes sitting at the surface level of those cards, sometimes seeing what's written on those cards, it's like, yeah, it's peachy, everything's good. Like, I just I just need to keep going. I just need to keep doing what I'm doing. And eventually it will come. And the second that they look deeper, they know, yeah, I need to do this one thing so that I can heal so that I can move forward in this. And then I don't have to keep seeking and seeking and seeking. And I think that's one of the things when you're using cards and you're using these tools for yourself, is you have the opportunity to witness your transformation and witness how you're utilizing those cards, because sometimes we will, will see that very surface. I know this for myself. If I don't really want to know the answers, I will draw my cards and I'll look at I'm going to be like, that one says change and that one's says transformation, and that one says love and that one says Joy. Great. And I set them aside. I don't look at them other than what was written on that surface of the card, because I'm like, that looks lovely. That sounds fantastic. Until I actually sit with my cards and go, Oh, Change and transformation. There's something there's some work here that needs to be done to bring me to that state of joy, to bring me to that other state. And it's the days where I actually sit down and actually read my cards like that. I see. Okay. The last four times I drew my cards, I wasn't really looking to get any of my answers. I was just doing it to do it so that I knew that I was doing something. 

Tammy: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I can, I can see that happening with all of us, Right. And I think it's a good thing to talk about because I do think sometimes people start to believe that people who have clarity around some of their gifts or are really good with using these tools and stuff like that have their own stuff figured out all the time. And that's not really what any of this is about. And I feel like when you're talking about, you know, just looking on the surface level or looking over and over and over again until you're ready for the answer. I mean, experience, being in this world to experience is about experiencing all of it and allowing yourself to experience the things that feel uncomfortable is part of it too, because it's like it's like any other way of avoiding the answers. Like you said, you know, deep down that there is something else there, but you're just not ready to see it yet, which is also okay. I mean, sometimes you just need time. Sometimes there's other things that are playing out that it will become more clear as you go on. But, you know, and it's not saying that there can't be answers that are simply lovely, too, because sometimes there are answers that are simply lovely. But it serves us best to use these tools with the intention of being as open as possible to the answers, and then just allowing the answers to come through and then see what you want to do with it at that point, if you're really not ready for some of that work, it is what it is. When you are ready, you'll do it. And maybe at that point you've gotten that same answer like 20 times. You're like, okay, fine, move on. 

Jenn: Dang it, I hear you. 

Tammy: Yeah. But I find that even for me, all the transitions and all the information that I've gotten, I feel like I've lived a million lives in the past year. But all of the good stuff also comes with me peeling back a lot of layers to like the rawest form of myself and it's not necessarily a bad thing because it's like every every time I really am open and I really do utilize these tools to allow myself to experience something, I can move through it more peacefully, too, and it doesn't feel like I am fighting myself every step of the way. Not that I haven't experienced that before too. I certainly have. And I know it's not the last time I will experience that, but it is kind of an interesting place where you you learn how to allow yourself to go through all of the experiences, knowing that everything is for your greatest good, like the happy, blissful moments as well as the challenging moments are all for your greatest good. And you can love and honor all of those little bits. And for me, Tarot and Oracle cards are I don't use them all the time. There are a fun thing for me to do. I see them as fun, and that's probably why it's a little easier for me to be like, yeah, well, you know, you don't have to look at it a million times because I do it when I feel called to do it. But that doesn't mean that there's not other things that I've used or other ways that I get information that I've also asked like a million times and got the same answer. 

Jenn: Yes

Tammy: but there is something kind of cool to me about this. The Tarot and Oracle cards and stuff too, is that the accessibility of all of these tools is getting so much more broad that people who maybe never would have thought to even look at them before can now access them. And they're finding ways to incorporate them, even just the curiosity people have, like they were talking to you about whether or not there's like darkness behind it. That's really interesting that there's enough curiosity to even be like, Does this fit into my current worldview? Does this fit into my belief system? Is there other tools that I can be using so you can see incorporating some of this into people's lives that maybe never would have thought to do anything with them before?

Jenn: Yeah, well, so I actually had a business meeting the other day and I won't say who I was meeting with, but I had a business meeting the other day and there were people who don't necessarily have a woo background like totally not their background. And I decided that I needed to be a little bit more open and I needed to share like all of my products and all of my stuff with them so they understood who they were working with and so that we could really partner and collaborate and what we're working on. And so I was like, Well, I have my book and I have this card deck, and one of the people said, I want to see this card deck, I want to understand. And so I brought my card deck in and they immediately opened the deck and started asking me to explain how it works. And this was not something that they'd been exposed to. They'd heard of tarot before, but really hadn't. Like they were a little bit concerned about Tarot and like how Oracle cards are different. And so I talked to them about that and, and they all ended up drawing cards for themselves. And I sat there going, Holy crap, like this just happened because that was very, very Midwestern. And I just realized that. I haven't done that for a while. Well, probably have, but it was it was one of those moments where I was like, Oh, people are starting to actually look at these things and they want to understand how they're being used and why they're being used. And it was just, it was a beautiful moment of seeing people be curious and seeing people explore something that was outside of their comfort zone. And 

Tammy: that's cool.

Jenn: I, I was super excited because I was like, I get to tell you all about this stuff, and I get to explain it in a way that you'll actually understand that it's not like the devil, 

Tammy: see, But that's so cool because you answered the, the insight that you had is that you really needed to come forward with all this stuff. And they were part of that whole process of like we really want to know about all this stuff, and they got to pick some cards for themselves. That's really cool. 

Jenn: And I got to be myself. 

Tammy: Yeah, which is amazing. And you know, I know we talked a lot about like the work and stuff that we put into some of the healing and stuff, but just to be clear too, sometimes there are answers that are simply to move us in the direction of trusting in the direction that we're already headed or trusting in the beautiful things that are part of this outcome for us and the beautiful things we are creating. I know sometimes I'll come across people who are pulling cards for people, you know, on their social media or something like that. And I always think that's kind of fun to look at because sometimes it's just as simple as that there might be a day where someone's like, I just need reassurance and they can get that too. So there's a lot of different ways that this can be used. You can make it whatever you want to make it. And if you're a very visual person, these might be helpful. 

Jenn: Yeah, Yeah. So I'm really excited that you brought up the whole social media thing because it keeps popping into my noggin that maybe before we sign off today, we draw a few cards for people and people can mull them over and people can let them wash over them and see where they're landing with them. 

Tammy: That’s a good idea. 

Jenn: not like a full on reading, just drawing a few cards for people and they can sit with them and intuit because I would love to see people use their intuition intuit what it means for you. 

Tammy: That sounds lovely. You want to pull a card? 

Jenn: I certainly do. 

Tammy: Which deck are you going to use? 

Jenn: my deck. 

Tammy: Nice. 

Jenn: My past life regression deck.

Tammy: I was hoping you're going to use that one. I also have her deck and I didn't bring that one over to the table with me. It's like, let Jenn do that one, because that is her deck. 

Jenn: So 

Tammy: it's for everyone, but it's also yours. 

Jenn: It was actually a deck that I created just for me to heal. Like it had nothing to do with. I did. I wasn't going to put the stack out into the world. And then I was like, okay, I'm going to put the deck out into the world. And I actually had a reader come up to me the other day and tell me that he's loved working with it and his readings because it's always it's always spot on for people. And so this is an interesting card. I was like, I don't want to try that card. I don't want to put that card out there. So obviously this is something that I need to look at. So the card that I drew was Grieve, and I'll read what it says on here. Take it or leave it, but you can intuit with this is for you. Your soul asks you to allow yourself to grieve the losses that you've had in the past lives, and also allow yourself to feel the lower vibrational emotions that are coming through. Your heart needs to heal these past hurts in order to heal with a current situation. And I'll show you guys the, the image to the images on these decks, the background or actual images from NASA. So you're getting the healing energy of the cosmos and the pictures that are on there are healing symbols for the word that's on the deck. So that one is grieve. Tammy, do you have a card you want to draw? 

Tammy: Yes, I drew a card and I am just pulling up because the cards I have don't have the what you call it, the 

Jenn: the full information on them?

Tammy: The full description on them. So, 

Jenn: yeah

Tammy: I like to pull that up. 

Jenn: Do you want to hold the card up so we can at least see what the card is and I can describe what the card looks like? 

Tammy: Yes, I will do that. I'm trying to flip through my little book at the same time, we should 

Jenn: it looks like a person sitting at a drawing desk, drawing with a compass. And there are some books and. Yeah. 

Tammy: Yes

Jenn: Is that an eight on top. 

Tammy: Yes, it is an eight. Let's see. Anyway, feel free to talk for a moment while I'm pulling this up because I was almost there and then I took my finger out of that spot. 

Jenn: Oh no. I was going to say it looked like she was drawing it with a compass, a pentagram So is that the eight of Pentacles? 

Tammy: It is the eight of Pentacles and I did pull it up. So the eight of Pentacles often comes as a nod or a nudge. A nod for all the hard work we have been putting in or a nudge implying it's time to get to start getting to work. A young redheaded woman sits at her desk, working diligently on her project. She is studying her books and implementing the lessons she proudly displays her completed work on the wall behind her, and she hasn't given up on achieving perfection yet. She is just a beginner, but she knows she has a powerful future ahead of her. If she keeps working hard, tackle your interests with intensity. If you've been feeling your passions growing stronger, you should follow your heart and dedicate yourself completely. There Are no shortcuts to the top. If you want to be the best, you'll need to get to work. Invest in your future by learning something new. Apply yourself completely and you may find it to be one of the most enlightening and powerful experiences of your life. 

Jenn: That sounds like a powerful thing to dig into. 

Tammy: Yeah, it is. 

Jenn: if you don't mind, I would like to pull one more for everybody. 

Tammy: Yeah. 

Jenn: So I pulled a card from the native spirit deck, and it's a vision quest which I don't know if anybody knows what a vision clusters, but it's going out on your own into the wilderness and allowing yourself to explore the inner knowing and allowing yourself to receive the inner vision so that you can move forward on your path. And that just happens to be the card that I drew as the last card. So, so I'm hoping that everybody gets a little bit of time to sit and ponder on those. The grieve card, the Eight of Pentacles and the Vision Quest card for this week. 

Tammy: Yeah, that was fun. And anyone has any questions or other insights, please do let us know.

Jenn: Yes, post them on our video. Do something. Go and relax. Go enjoy. Go look internally.

Tammy:  Sound good, bye everyone. 

Jenn: Bye Everybody.

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