S2 Ep 1: Here's a story of two lovey ladies

Here's the story of two lovely ladies, 
who were bringing up some very lovely goals, 
both of them had dreams of gold like the other
their biggest ones unfurled. 

'Til the one day when one girl went to a funeral
and she knew that it was much more than a hunch
That her story must somehow form a pattern
and that's the way that this episode came about

They Call us Woo, they call us woo, that's the way, this episode came about! 

In this episode, Jenn and Tammy talk about the stories that we create about other people and the ones that we accept for ourselves as well.

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Transcript

Jenn: Hey Everybody, I’m Jenn. 

Tammy: And I’m Tammy. 

Jenn: And They Call us Woo!  

Jenn: Welcome back, everybody. Today is a beautiful day. We are starting season two of our podcast, which is so exciting that we've been doing this for so long. 

Tammy: Right. 

Jenn: I'm so excited. 

Tammy: I know. It's like, Holy Hannah. It's been a year? 

Jenn: Yeah! 

Tammy: Weird. But also, 

Jenn: I know! I know! 

Tammy: and I have not shut up yet. Neither have you. So I think we're good at this. 

Jenn: I shut up sometimes, just not a lot. But today, So there has been so much movement and so much change going on since we did our goal podcast. Talking about the things that we want to bring into our lives and the things that we're releasing. And I, for one, have had so many things happen, and I know Tammy has had so many things happen as well. But the other day I had this beautiful experience where I started to recognize the stories that I was telling, the stories that I had been telling about other people, and the stories that I was telling about myself and sometimes when we create these stories, when we say this person has this specific thing going on or this person has done this specific thing, it creates a label for ourselves. Like we play a role in every story that we create. We play a role in every single story that's going on around us. And I started recognizing that some of the stories that I created when I was a kid have really affected the labels that I've placed on myself. So I thought it would be awesome for us to talk about those stories that we create and the roles that we play in those stories today. So I'll just kind of start with how this came up. I was at a funeral for my family and I went back home and was interacting with a lot of my family members, interacting with a lot of people that I don't necessarily see all the time, but I started thinking about, as I was interacting with people who are so loving and so kind and show so many different emotions. How they have changed over the years. And like I, I had a pretty good relationship with my uncles growing up and I saw their hearts and I saw their energy and I saw the kindness and the love that they showed to us. And then as years went on, I saw, like, the emotions that came in and the trauma that came in. And I saw people around me because I was looking at a lot of people, too. But I saw people around me that had started bringing alcohol in to dim those emotions and to dim the way that they were interacting with the world. And so I created the story because I've had a lot of people with alcohol issues in my, in my periphery around me growing up. And as I got older and I yeah, I started to witness the stories that I had been creating about all these different people. Luckily, I got to interact with one of them about these stories, but what I was noticing was I created the story of how their alcoholism was doing certain things or how their, how interacting with their own emotions was creating this story. And I started witnessing that. I played a role in that story, in the role that I was playing was, I have to be the person who's there to worry about them. I have to be the person who has to say these specific things or do these certain things to care for them. And so by placing a story on somebody else, I was also placing the story on me that I was stuck in this weird role and constantly had to be in this worry space or this caretaking space. And so I really like it hit me really hard. I sat drinking my morning cocoa, doing my morning ceremony, just bawling in my hotel room while I was up in Minnesota. I was supposed to leave it like 4:00 in the morning, and I didn't end up leaving until like 630 in the morning because I was crying for so long, trying to process all of these things and look at these stories. And it was just this beautiful recognition of every time we create a story, every time we place a label on somebody else or tell a story about somebody else, we're also unintentionally telling a story about ourselves. 

Tammy: We are, and we're setting the tone for how we're interacting with those people. 

Jenn: Yeah. And the rest of the world. So? So, like I said, I thought it would be a good thing to talk about those stories. So, Tammy, are there any stories that you can think of off the top of your head that you've been creating, telling? 

Tammy: Absolutely. I know when we started chatting about this, we like to kind of chat about different subjects that we might want to talk about what feels timely. This one really resonated with me too. And in this period, you know, like you said, we just talked about goals. We talked about how we want the rest of this to roll out. I have had huge amounts of old, old trauma, old stories, old everything that I have been processing through. I know, we talked in one of our episodes in the last season, too, about this feeling that every kind of everyone we know is getting around this right now, too. But that was a different way to look at it that I really appreciated, because I certainly have alcoholism in my family as well. And it's interesting, as we were talking about all of this, I've done a lot of processing around it. My father was not an alcoholic my entire childhood, but there was a specific period of time where our family went through a pretty massive upheaval. And then after that, alcohol became a pretty constant pattern. And of course, when you're younger, this was like my pre-teen years that started happening. Of course, when you're younger, you don't always know how to process it. You don't always understand it, to you it's just like, Well, there's this parent who just doesn't have their shit together, excuse my french, you know, like, like what's going on? you know, And it's you, especially as a teen, you know, you might be angry, whatever the case may be. But as I shifted into adulthood, and especially as I started to really process this more connected spiritual side of myself that was able to release any any guilt or attachment and just look at it from an outside perspective, I was able to see more how it had nothing to do with me, really, and it was everything to do with a man who I honestly very much admire, who is extremely intelligent, who's extremely sensitive and loving and caring, who has had these things in his life that he has felt like he can't process. And so this was a tool for him to be able to kind of calm the chaos. And it became something that he needed to, or he feels like he needs. And so, interestingly enough, I can feel very much like I can talk about that now where it feels different. It's not like I can't believe you've done this to everybody type of feeling. It's really more like you're such a beautiful human and I really wish for you that at some point you'll be able to accept that and not feel like you have to punish yourself the rest of your life. And it still, though, feels strange. So we were talking about how I still don't always feel super comfortable saying like my father is an alcoholic. There was a period of time where I felt very comfortable with that. But now I think it has a lot more to do with what you were talking about because, (Clears throat) excuse me, it does put you into a role. So if that's what's in my head, when I'm going to interact with my family, there's a very specific role I'm playing in that. If that's what's in my head when I'm talking to someone else, they are all of a sudden made up all of these stories about being a child of an alcoholic and what you know, that must have looked like. I'm in a totally different place, but they might not know that. And then it puts you into a different, you're right, a different role. It kind of it it sticks you somewhere that you don't necessarily want to be stuck. And for me, in order to be able to release all of the emotion surrounding that, in order to be able to be happy to allow him to have his own autonomy, make his own choices, and know that he is still loved regardless, I might have hopes and dreams for him, that he might, may or may not ever, you know, live out in this lifetime. But in order to be able to process it for me, I can't be stuck there. I can't be stuck as the child of an alcoholic. I can't be stuck as this is. It makes him very one dimensional. But then it makes me very one dimensional, too. And that's not how this is going for me. 

Jenn: Yeah. 

Tammy: And I love the way you put that because I'm like, Yeah, especially when it's family. It's like I've been recognizing that more and more that when you get together with family, sometimes those patterns of behavior, it's like you just immediately have this role to fill. And how often do we allow ourselves to let these family members be something else? How, how often do we let them? Like, how are we stopping their growth by saying, well, this is just what you are and this is the role we all play? And then it's all very robotic. And who's to say they can't be something different? But now they don't feel like they can be something different? 

Jenn: Yeah

Tammy: and that's not necessarily just even in the terms of alcoholism or whatever. It's in the terms of even you think like, you know, like my mom is a lovely, very caring human being, but putting her in the box of this is what she always does. This is how she cares for herself. That's how she cares for her family. These are her limitations. I'm potentially stopping some of the energy going to her because we're, we're speaking that into the universe. And the universe is saying, okay, this must be the truth about this person. Like, even if you're not saying that directly to that person, you are still speaking it out in ways or thinking in ways that you know the universe is going to respond. Like, okay, this, this is the way these people want this to go. Okay, cool. 

Jenn: Yeah. Well, and the other piece of that is that everybody has a different perspective of themselves. And so we're not, we're not privy to that information all the time. So one of the things that I like I said, I had the opportunity to have a conversation with one of the people around my story that I had been telling, and I said to him, What do you want your story to be, like what do you want me to think of when I think of you? What do you want the story to be? I want to hear your story. I want to hear your side of the story, because that helps me to change my perspective and that helps me to see a different aspect of that story. And I think so many times we get something in our head and we think we meet somebody the first time and we have this view of them and we've been told certain things about them and we create the story in our head. This is who this person is, this is what they are. And then as time goes on, you start to see different parts of them and you start to hear different stories and you go, Wait a second, that doesn't fit my narrative at all. That doesn't fit the story like I'll use. I had a client when I was working doing massage in a senior building years and years and years ago, and she was she was a little bit aggressive and a little bit blunt at times. And there were days that I was like, oh my gosh, this is just too much. Because she would get a little bit aggressive. And I mean, she was 93 years old and I didn't get the opportunity to go to a lot of my client’s funerals because I wouldn't get notified a lot of the time right away. And for whatever reason, her family thought to notify me so that, in time that I could make it to the funeral. And I went to the funeral and like she was a beautiful human being. She just she was a little bit rough around the edges. But I went to the funeral and I got to hear the stories of people that knew her for years and years and years and years and years. And I found out that she did all this humanitarian work. She traveled around the world and did all of these beautiful things that she never once talked about. And it wasn't even in my story around her at all. Like I had no idea the things that she had done and the places she had been. Like we had conversations about different things that she did, but I had no idea because I never asked her to tell me the rest of her story. So I had created this environment for her to continue giving me that same aggressive, blunt story. And I was a willing participant in that. I was the person who was meant to receive that. I was the person who was meant to help her with certain things. And because that was the story I created, I never got to see the rest of the story. I never got to be witness to these beautiful experiences that she had throughout her life and that, that actually really opened up my mind years ago to whenever somebody was in my in my, in my view, and I was like, I just I just don't know if I can handle the negativity or the whatever. I would start looking for something else that I didn't know. Like, I started asking some of my older clients who were just a little bit agitated as they got older, I would start asking them questions about their childhood. I would start asking them questions about like growing up, what did they do in their twenties? And they would start telling all of these different stories. And it reframed things for me so that I didn't have to be stuck in the labels that I was labeling myself with. And they didn't have to be stuck in the story that I had created based on what I was seeing from this specific spot in their life. And so I think so many times we don't take the time to look at the other pieces of the story. There's, there's a different narrator depending on who's telling the story. Like there's a different story there. And I mean, looking at like, my, my ex-husband was an alcoholic as well. And so I spent a lot of our marriage dealing with like, the caretaking and the worry and all of those things, the same things I was just talking about. And so I have created an environment where that's part of my story. And I recognize that even now, like when I talk to my ex, I still have those same worries and concerns when I hear my ex talk about alcohol because that's the narrative, that's the story that I've been telling. I'm supposed to be the one who worries. I'm supposed to be the one who says, Are you sure you want to keep doing that, even if it's not an issue anymore? Like, that's the story. And so taking a few steps back and going, okay, I'm going to look at, I'm going to look at the story from a different perspective. Like things are different now. Like, what is the story that I'm meant to be hearing from this person at this time? What is the story that started this person's life? What is the story that continued? And when you can take in the different pieces, it allows you to change your label? 

Tammy: Yeah, I encountered that a lot with my husband. I know I've spoken a little bit about this before, but he since we've been together, the, the person now is a much different person than the person I married in a really good way, because there's a lot of things that he processed during the years that we have been together. Real hard stuff that he processed. I mean, I have an immense amount of appreciation and I, I don't think he thinks he's as strong as he really is, is going to make me emotional. He's a he's a very strong person. He processed and, and ended years of cycles of abuse. And that's really beautiful. But the interesting part of this whole stories thing is you were talking like that was a lot like what I had to do when he was changing because I had seen these old patterns for so long that they had become ingrained in me, that that was, you know, just assuming what the next step was going to be, what his responses to things were going to be, whatever. And I really had to try to change my stories because that's not fair for someone to go through all that work and just continue to look at them the same way that I always have. And it's and that's not even, you know, the stories of, you know, we're talking about some some heavier things with, you know, alcoholism and stuff like that. But this is a whole different thing where it's like, it wasn't that he was doing anything bad or terrible or negative before it was, I mean, maybe towards himself, but not necessarily that he was doing harmful things towards us. It was more like, why would I continue to just say that this is the way that it's always going to be when he's trying so hard to be different. And in his being different, he's gotten so much closer to who he really is. Like he could have been stuck spinning his wheels forever in this like kind of dull, dulled down world, dull, done robotic world that he lived in for so long. And now, like all of these wonderful pieces of him that I get to enjoy with him, I wouldn't have got to enjoy if I still thought that this was the way it always needed to be, or this is just the way it's always going to go. So I had to look really hard at the stories I was telling myself about how this all looked in our relationship. And again, kind of like the caretaker piece of it. You know, I, I don't think any of us, when we really think hard, want to be caretakers for our partners in the sense of emotional, you know, stuff like that. I think we most of us probably really enjoy having what feels like a supportive partnership where you can each pick up pieces for each other when needed. But we still fall into those roles anyway. So I had to look at the stories about him. I had to look at the stories about myself and how I behave with him. Like you said, you know, stories about him were creating roles for me. And, you know, I, it wouldn't have made any sense to take away his power or to make him seem like a child or to not let our relationship evolve as he became more of this man that he always knew that he was, you know, this man that he wants to put out there into the world. So it's not necessarily always just even like the negative. Like I was talking earlier about my mom, because as we talk about, I'm like, yeah, I certainly tell stories about how my mom will react to things, too. And I feel like families are a big blindspot right? Like, I think humans are fascinating and I'm always willing to listen to all different sides of people's stories. I love hearing people's stories. People tend to tell me all types of things that really make me believe, you know, not just believe, but really make me impressed with how multidimensional we all are. But families tend to be kind of a blind spot where it's like you just get into this routine of this is the way it is.

Jenn: Yeah. 

Tammy: So that's a point that I think I'm going to take with me to be really aware of what stories I'm telling around what's possible for any of them is, 

Jenn: Yeah

Tammy: I love them. I want them all to be able to be as happy and, you know, successful in whatever they want to to do in life. Am I stopping them by telling these stories? You know, maybe. Maybe that's part of it. 

Jenn: Well, and so another thing that I've been thinking about, because this has come up a lot lately, so some of the stories that I've told about myself for years, like with all of my woo woo ness and the story that was created when I was young, that I was weird or that I was going to Hell, or that I was a liar, or all of these things that came into my story as a child, those created a role for me too. It was other people's story that they were putting on me that I chose to adopt as part of my story and I chose to take a role in. And as I've been sloughing off all of this stuff in the last the last few months, it's like simple things would come up, like my my fiance asked me the other day, he or he said he said, Oh, I didn't know that you went out and had drinks with your friends because I don't drink very often and he doesn't drink. And so I just don't drink at home. Like so when I go up to visit family or visit friends, every once in a while I'll have a drink. And he's like, I didn't know that. And because of the stories that I've been told and because of the beliefs that I have, my brain went to, oh he thinks you're lying. And so it was like because of the stories that I believed from other people and because other people believe that I lie about spiritual gifts and have called me a liar or called me whatever names. Like, I spun that story and I spun my role and I went in this weird, triggered cycle thing. And luckily my fiance's who he is, and we had a conversation and it was like, Whoa, what? Where did this come from? But it's like the stories and the labels that we have from certain relationships they carry over. They carry over into other into other stories. And so if you're accepting any piece of those labels or any part of those stories for yourself, you're going to carry that over and it's going to create new triggers. It's going to create new stories for you that aren't real. Like that wasn't part of what he was saying. That's not part of what the conversation was. But because of the stories that I have around alcohol and the stories that I have around people thinking that I'm not telling the truth. And all those stories came together in this one lovely little bundle to show me, Hey, you're doing it again. You're telling another story. You're allowing yourself to take on these roles. You're allowing yourself to take on roles that you think other people have you placed in. And it gave me another opportunity to look at it and it's just, it it's truly just allowing yourself to look at these opportunities to grow in your experience and I think so many times we get triggered and we just go through the cycle and we don't actually look at it and we don't dig deeper into what the role is that we're playing in our own story. And we just allow it to sit there and we don't allow it to heal. And I'm a firm believer that everything comes up so that we can heal it. I mean, not everything is as big of a deal as we think it is, but when we're making it into this huge, big deal, it becomes a bigger deal. And so it's just an opportunity, a call for us to look at it and to love ourselves through it.

Tammy: Yeah. 

Jenn: So I, I would love to urge everybody that's listening to sit down and look at the stories that they've been creating around themselves, like truly look at the story that you have about your spouse, the story that you have about your friends, the story that you have about your family members, and then look at the story that you have about yourself. Because as I've been doing that work over the last few weeks, I'm like, Holy crap! Seriously, I didn't realize how many of those stories were interwoven. And it, it has really kind of screwed up my perception of who I am and who other people think I am, because I think that people think I'm something that I am not. And I think that people hold beliefs and have stories about me that aren't their stories at all. They're stories that I have continued to perpetuate. And until I'm ready to look at them, I can't heal them. And so it's important to look at our stories. 

Tammy: I think that's part of the whole process of what everything is. Everything that's coming up so rapid fire for people right now. And I feel like with some of the work I've done, I'm really coming out on the other side of some of the some of that stuff. And I can honestly say that this is the, the best, most excited, most lit up I've been in a long time about all of these opportunities that are presenting themselves to me. But I am doing another round of hypnosis right now. And interestingly enough, it started with this financial mindset piece and it unraveled all of these other things that I didn't know were attached to it. But you were talking about some of these stories. I've in some of the regressions I've done, which I love to talk about in another episode, I went into Past lives and there is a very specific story that I have been part of for a very, very long time, which involved martyrdom, really, and there was a usefulness and a purpose for it at that point. But I had just this huge revelation of information that was basically like, this is, this is not the way that you need to continue to go now that those contracts are done, this is done. And there's a different path that you're taking now. And that was a big eye opening revelation for me and how I have because I have this innate ability to be able to to stand up in the face of really icky stuff and still be bold. I've continued to do this even in situations that don't necessarily need that or put myself out to a point where I am not taking care of myself the way I should be or put myself out there for people who that's not what we were supposed to be doing together or, you know, creating these like this whole world around this feeling of that being necessary, which also then seeps into like when I was talking about the relationships and stuff like that, you know? Who actually asked me to be the caregiver? Nobody. I did that. 

Jenn: Yeah. 

Tammy: And whether or not it came from old patterns, there's always a point in your life that you can sit and look at it and then you can decide what you want to do with that. Do you want to continue that role? Does that role feel good or is there something different that you're being called to do? And let me tell you, when I've started to process the different thing that I'm supposed to be doing right now and releasing some of that, it feels really good. Like it's starting to feel like things are falling into my lap that I wouldn't have suspected. And it's really interesting when you actually take the time to look at that and feel like what feels the most true for you, what feels most aligned for you, what feels like this actually is part of your purpose or intention or what you want to do. And it's not easy work necessarily, but it's totally worth it. 

Jenn: Yep

Tammy: It's totally worth it. I mean, I can't tell you how many times recently I've just been just like, excited, like, I can't believe this is the life I get. Like, this is amazing! And it's just a good feeling to really look at those stories about yourself and like you said, about the people around you and figure out how they all play into each other and how we can all help. We can help each other rise up together. We can help each other get through this together. And maybe part of our role doesn't have to be to sit down and have a conversation about how can I help you? Maybe part of our role is let me reframe my stories about you and interact with you in a different way and who knows what that's going to open up for somebody else.

Jenn: Yeah. Yeah. 

Tammy: It's it's just a beautiful collaboration of energy that we get to be part of. 

Jenn: Yeah, Yeah. Well, so you say when you reframe yours, that's the interaction with those people might be different. So I was talking about that client of mine that she, she was blunt and a little bit rough around the edges. So when I started recognizing that I was getting a little bit ramped up, like, oh gosh, it's going to be this negative thing. And I was recognizing that I was struggling to actually be in service to her because I was so like, my gosh, she's so negative sometimes. And so I started intentionally going into sessions and this was, of course, before her funeral. So I was starting to do this work before that, I started to look at, okay, I'm going to give gratitude and I'm going to be grateful that she is here trusting me with her care. And I started trying to reframe that for myself and tell a new story and the days that I could get myself in that space. Our interaction was so different. It was so different because I was giving her space to tell me what she needed. But then I was also giving her, fully, my care and my attention and my love and my gratitude. And it did completely change the interaction. So like part of that interaction was me allowing the situation for aggressiveness and negativity and whatever. Like that was part of my story too. It was like, oh gosh, this this is the way it's going to go. And I started creating that. And so when I changed that and said, This is the way it's going to go, I'm going to be grateful no matter what comes out of her mouth, no matter what has happened, no matter what negativity is there. I'm going to love her through that. I'm going to stand in the space. And it was so much better. And then add on top of it, like all the stories that I heard at her funeral and this beauty and like the woman that she was that I didn't know because I didn't allow that story into my, into my vision. So it really is part of it is the way that you're interacting with the story. And you can just by changing your mindset, you can change how you're witnessing things. And it might not make it 100% better, but if you're witnessing the good pieces of it, you're keeping your own peace. You're standing in your own energy and you're creating something different.

Tammy: Yeah, yeah. It's like I've been reading a lot or listening to audiobooks and stuff around some of this work. And one of the ones I'm listening to right now talks a lot about quantum physics and just living life. I mean, some of it is the financial mindset piece, some of it is just living life and it talks a lot about the way that you view things. If you really understand how everything works, you don't necessarily have to be attached in the same way. You can view things from a different perspective, and that outside perspective usually is a lot more peaceful. It's a perspective that's going to allow you to let things happen because oftentimes, especially if you're very, a very caring person, I've said this many times before, caring can turn into control and that any time we're in that space of needing to control everything, it doesn't feel good. It doesn't feel good for us. It doesn't feel good for anyone around us. But being able to, like you said, change your, change your perspective. If you are really looking at it from an outside a little bit more neutral perspective of, let me actually look like pick this up and look at it from all angles, All of a sudden it doesn't feel like you need to control anything and it feels like you are allowing the others to be free to share whatever it is that they want to share. And that's got to feel better. You know, I don't know if your client ever mentioned it, but I'm sure there is probably a feeling somewhere that felt better for the client too because 

Jenn: Oh, I'm sure!

Tammy: she was probably told those stories many, many times over you know, however long had been since she had been in that space. 

Jenn: Yeah. 

Tammy: You know, and oftentimes our especially in the U.S., seniors are in environments where they're maybe really isolated. They don't get as much interaction with their family if there's dementia or other, you know, issues that come up sometimes that does come out as aggression or anger or whatever. 

Jenn: Yes. 

Tammy: But it's not like they're trying to do it. They don't want to feel that way. 

Jenn: No, no. 

Tammy: And that's a really cool gift to be able to allow somebody to show someone a different side of themselves. So that's really cool that you were able to do that and feel better yourself and I'm sure in some capacity your client felt better, too. 

Jenn: Well, yeah. And I stopped calling myself. Yeah, I stopped calling myself an asshole for being such an every time I was like, Oh my God, that would be a negative. Just like, like I did. 

I felt really bad about it because I was like, No, that's not a cool way to like, No, I love working on my clients. I love being in space with people. But there were moments that I was like, my gosh, you're such an asshat. Like, why are you like, Why are you being such a jerk about this? 

Like, this is just her experience. She's in pain, she's whatever. But so I think that's the other thing is we start telling ourselves these other stories, like beating up or like tooting our own horn. Like there's so many different stories we could be telling ourselves. I'm like, for me it was like that guilt and being a jerk and being whatever. For not interacting the appropriate way, whatever the heck the appropriate way is to interact with that. And yeah, it's it really is just looking at every single role and every single label that you've been given. 

Tammy: Yeah

Jenn: There is a book that I read a long time ago and I wish I could remember what the book is. I know it was an author that was local to Minnesota and I was reading her book and in there she talks about releasing all of the labels that you've placed on yourself, like sitting down and actually looking at every single label that you put on yourself and just allowing yourself to start over. Like, so if you're a mom, if you're a working woman, if you're that might sound weird. If, if, if you're a female entrepreneur or if you're like whatever label it is that you've placed on yourself. And we put so many labels, we try to categorize ourselves and just erase all of those labels and just see who you are as a soul, like who are you? and also how yourself to be.

Tammy: What's your potential for all of the things that you are maybe are missing because you think that this is the one role that you need to be like? We're not one dimensional, but we make ourselves that way sometimes. 

Jenn: Yeah, yeah

Tammy: and that those stories can certainly create a whole set of interactions that is not necessarily what our soul actually wants or what our soul actually can accomplish. And understanding that really I mean, the universe is infinitely abundant. So whatever it is that you tell yourself, that is what you're going to continue to receive. So who knows what amazing things are available for you if you stop telling yourself that story, who knows what amazing things are available for the people in your life. If you stop telling the stories about them, you don't know until you stop.

Jenn: Yeah, Yeah. Well, and I'm recognizing, like, the stories that we tell ourselves about words too. Like looking at my interaction with that last few sentences like the, the words that you use and the labels that you have about certain words or certain statements that also shapes the way that you're interacting with the world. And I recognize these things. That crap still comes out of my mouth. And then I'm like, Wait, what did I just say? But it is, it's taking a step back and saying, okay, like, what is the story that I have around this? What is my interaction with this? And making a not necessarily a correction, but a noticing and, and shifting focus. 

Tammy: Yeah. 

Jenn: So it's okay to make mistakes. It's okay to create stories and then rewrite them. 

Tammy: Yes. And it is okay that these stories are a thing that we currently do. It's this is just about observing and allowing, like you said, rewriting things a little bit. If you feel like that's the thing that you should be doing to really allow yourself and others to be able to thrive.

Jenn: Yeah. Yeah. 

Tammy: Well, this is a great subject to talk about. And 

Jenn: yeah

Tammy: we've kind of discussed how we want season two to go and we think that this might be a really good one to revisit throughout the season. You know, catch up a little bit on how we are reframing our own stories around the people around us. Maybe as people share more with us some of the stuff that's been happening in their lives, We can share some of that too.

Jenn: Yeah. Yeah. So everybody think about your stories. Think about where you want to rewrite, write them down, erase, crossings out, write new words, whatever feels right to you as we're here walking the story with you. 

Tammy: Yes ma’am. 

Jenn: Changing our labels. Changing our words. So, yeah. 

Tammy: Well, thank you so much for joining us. 

Jenn: Yes. Yes. 

Tammy: Those of us who have or those of you who have just started listening to us and those that have been listening since the beginning, thank you for hanging out with us so much. We love it. 

Jenn: Yeah, we do!

Tammy: And we’re excited for season two. 

Jenn: Yes. Hope everybody has an awesome week. We'll see you next week!

Tammy: Bye everyone! 

Jenn: bye.

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